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Offline Cecil

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From the North East
« on: July 22, 2014, 10:32:32 PM »
Serial No 14

Couple of work machines, another row on the other side of the tanks

Proper engines

Same machine only coupla Dash 8 engines


Interesting talking to the blokes who fly the big yella one's. The maximum load the turbine carries is 6,000 litres and the 215 piston was 5,000 litres. There are all sorts of armchair experts claiming we should have these over in Oz. At 30 MILLION!!!!!!!! each seems excessive. 802's carry 3,000 litres and at just on 2 million for a Fireboss on floats the sums don't seem to work for me.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2014, 06:23:28 AM »
Nice flicktures Cec.  Aren't those old crates part of Buffalo Airways setup?

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Re: From the North East
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2014, 11:19:13 AM »
Buffalo had or have one or two they lease out. last I heard they were in Europe.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 10:29:25 AM »
(Him speaking): Hope you're well mate.

$30 Million each is excessive. While I will agree that yes they are a dedicated fire fighting machine (ie; not good or great for anything else) they are not worth 30 million each. In 1996 I was present at the demonstration in Sydney harbour and the figures being bandied around at that time were $6.75M each for the turboprop and $5.5M each for the radials. As you will be well aware Cec, it more about how much water you can put on a spot over a period of time as a function of transit and turn around times.

There is also the small issue of the float equipped 802's climb gradient with a full hopper - think getting out of a tight waterslide valley, or even a bush strip deep in a valley. They will not get anywhere near the 7% to 5000' at MTOW that the CL415 will get at temps up to 45 deg C, which means the 415 can slide and scoop, lift off, outclimb the terrain and turn towards the fire much faster that the smaller aircraft can. They will also operate in swell sizes (think salt water availability, especially North coast NSW) that would crush the 802 floats in an instant. The 802 will smack the 415's bottbott red raw in on-scene manouvreability though!

Sadly, Canadair have priced themselves out of the market, however I will always remember just how easy even the 215 was to have a pole about of. But hey, you do that stuff for a living, I don't.

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Re: From the North East
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 11:43:52 PM »
Hiho Taily,
How goes the semi retired life of luxury of a pampered Airline pilot? As with most aircraft the 215/415 have a job they were built for and do it well. There are times when they could be used to advantage in OZ but as the latest price of 37 million per unit is a bit much.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 10:23:08 AM »
Heya Cec, you hit the nail on the head with the cost/usefulness equation. At >$30M they don't stack up, not even close to what you guys can already do...

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Re: From the North East
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2014, 08:56:49 AM »
Nice set of pix, Cec.
Hope all is well in your life.

The trouble with floats/seaplanes over here, is that apart from the ocean, not too many places suitable for using them. The Water Authority doesn't like anyone or anything dipping toes in their dams. But then again, there's not much water in them these days.

As for the briny, it's not always a millpond.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2014, 07:07:51 PM »
A new record for TAF... we actually talked about aviation for a moment. 

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Re: From the North East
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 12:47:18 PM »
Looks like SP has had a go on the 415!!!!!


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Re: From the North East
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 09:05:19 PM »
SP misinformed the press as well, that's a 215. Life's pretty good Rod, still breathin and upright, anything else is a bonus. There are very odd occasions where float/floating hull machines could be used. There are 2 Fireboss's working in NSW. There are only a few fires they can work on with the required distance and water.
How goes the motor bicycle Rod? I have one on rego now and am looking forward to getting out and about in the next week or so.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 11:37:51 PM »
The frenzy of posting is getting to me, second post today.

Still got the Griso,  :) and the old XJ, just short of 200,000kms,

What sort of steed have you got licensed?

BTW sorry Rob, off topic again.  :whatever:
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2014, 07:46:49 AM »
Hiho Rod, still got the XLV but it's on old farts rego which is pretty good here in Victoria. Coming into riding weather now.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 03:27:21 PM »
Well this explains why there's been no bright yellow Pacers through Dubvegas of late. Have you been monstered by a moose? Buggered by a bear? Taken up ice hockey?
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2014, 04:48:59 PM »
Bin back for a while now John, sitting the summer out relaxing. Haven't got the lil yellow jobby anymore, for landing charges and avgas it cost 3 times the amount to go anywhere so we drive now.
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Re: From the North East
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2014, 05:39:54 PM »
What does Avgas cost these days?
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